The Ghost in the Machine

Discuss the philosophy found in the various incarnations of Ghost in the Shell

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Sergeant X
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The Ghost in the Machine

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Allegedly the book the show was named after
I've heard good things but I haven't read it.
The whole Holon concept seems interesting to me
I think it might relate to that tachikoma episode where they talk about the Selfish Gene and Gaia theory
Has anyone read the book?
thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_in_the_Machine
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I've been boning up on Western philosophers recently and I'll have to throw this in my pot and stir it around too.

I came across an article that sort of agrees (I think it does anyway - they both mention Descartes)
https://aeon.co/ideas/the-body-is-the-m ... t-machines

The body is the missing link for truly intelligent machines
It's tempting to think of the mind as a layer that sits on top of more primitive cognitive structures. We experience ourselves as conscious beings, after all, in a way that feels different to the rhythm of our heartbeat or the rumblings of our stomach. If the operations of the brain can be separated out and stratified, then perhaps we can construct something akin to just the top layer, and achieve human-like artificial intelligence (AI) while bypassing the messy flesh that characterises organic life.

I understand the appeal of this view, because I co-founded SwiftKey, a predictive-language software company that was bought by Microsoft. Our goal is to emulate the remarkable processes by which human beings can understand and manipulate language. We've made some decent progress: I was pretty proud of the elegant new communication system we built for the physicist Stephen Hawking between 2012 and 2014. But despite encouraging results, most of the time I'm reminded that we're nowhere near achieving human-like AI. Why? Because the layered model of cognition is wrong. Most AI researchers are currently missing a central piece of the puzzle: embodiment.
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Dang it, I tried posting the rest of the article and it was too large and I got a message from the firewall that my IP address has been blocked. Again. Sigh.

I know from experience that it will time out, but until then I'll have to access from my cell phone instead of my home computer
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