Now quit using stupid, undignified terms like "hot"." It sounds like the talk of ditzy cheerleaders in highschool movies.
can we still use Hawt? J/K
I also don't understand how a animation character can be considered 'hot'. But if you absolutely had to grade the two on some form of attractiveness IMO SAC motoko would come out on top as at least she smiles occasionally. Being distant and stoic all the time like movie motoko may be cool from a design point of view, but it's not an attractive quality by far.
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Elmo wrote:But if you absolutely had to grade the two on some form of attractiveness IMO SAC motoko would come out on top as at least she smiles occasionally. Being distant and stoic all the time like movie motoko may be cool from a design point of view, but it's not an attractive quality by far.
Manga Motoko smiles quite frequently.
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Sylphisonic wrote:The "brooding intelligence" was not attractive to you?
the thing with brooding intelligence is that to other people it mostly appears as grumpy self-involvement. As I have been informed in less words by a string of annoyed ex-ladyfriends
Lightice wrote:
And makes a lot of other... rather interesting faces.
In an attempt to make the manga more PG I choose to assume those expressions are merely her sneezing ...um sneezing nekkid ..with friends
Joseph Cambell wrote:Myths are public dreams, dreams are private myths.
Well i am sucker for "brooding intelligence"! Besides, I also prefer movie Motoko, just because she's more realistic. I'm not really into the whole concept of a woman with impossible breast to waist to hips ratios...who are drawn to look muscular but have the measurements of a teen with an eating disorder.
Cammy from Street Fighter is my man exception to that rule- I mean, the last part of what you were saying...
...who are drawn to look muscular but have the measurements of a teen with an eating disorder.
I like that on Cammy because it gives her one of the most bizarre and original body-types ever conceived, and it just looks cool. She has no ankles and her chest is somewhere up where her shoulders are (it's small and very high up), but it's just neat because it feels like "her thing" rather than some generic look. But I love Chun-Li's amazon-like huge-legged frame even more. Capcom were great at discovering the oddest range of body shapes...
But yeah, the huge or oddly-shaped bosoms of Shirow characters are a bit off-putting to me. It always looks very much like the work of someone who just doesn't know how that stuff works. Actually, Motoko in the first manga has both instances of charming smiles and instances of brooding intelligence alike. I just can't stand her as a character sometimes though. She's just too loose...
Sylphisonic wrote: I just can't stand her as a character sometimes though. She's just too loose...
I'll save this for the Philosophy board, but you would be loose too if you doubted your existence to the very core of it.
I adore her. Completely, and utterly adore her. Perhaps that's imature, and rather obsessive on boarder-line psychotic, but I have been fascinated with her for 12 long, amazingly devoted years. She's my 'anti-drug' like some stupid poster might say.
The movie Motoko is the one that I'm taking about by the way. Oshii's vision of the character is who Motoko is to me. As far as I'm concerned, SAC and Shirow's Motoko are no more than some other alternatives.
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I prefer the version of Motoko in SAC purely because she has a great air of grace, nobility and intellect. Her outer image in SAC is much more like her inner self IMHO. I don't know if this was done to try and improve the connection of the audience with her personality (hell, it works if it is) in the compressed timeframe of the Anime environment. There is an undertone of the alluring elements of the Manga but they are extremely subtle, and even in those parts she still looks gracefully beautifully rather than crudely hot and sexy.
The Manga version is hot as hell IMHO (ignoring the slightly weird style of drawing). She's got a hot figure, she's sassy, bitchy and at the same time she's smart and thoughtful. The female characters in the Manga do have that air of something and over-hormone-laden teenager would scribble inside the cover of their art folder, but to be honest that's ,where a lot of the charm and alluring nature of them comes from. It's not necessarily the literal interpretation of the drawing, and yes some of them are kinda crummy (more on that some other time), it's the way they appeal to those parts of your brain (especially if you are a guy, but even that's by no means a given!). Because they are drawn in that style they put your brain in that mode and make your imagination take the cues and flesh them out into a real figure (literally, if you follow my drift). This seems to apply to quite a lot of Manga, more so than anything else I've looked at, perhaps because of the people who draw it, or the kind of bracket it fits into, I dunno. The Manga version of Motoko seems to me to hav ethe outward appearance and personality of that be that kickin' young action-girl every teenage boy dreams about combined with a more thoughtful and considered person who is maybe the person you want to know as you get older.
Motoko in the original movie seemed a bit cold and empty to me. This again is possibly deliberate, I think Oshii wanted the viewer to have to make an effort to connect to Motoko's real personality via brief and furtive glimpses into her inner psyche. Almost emphasizing the notion that Motoko's ghost is trapped in a cold, hard shell that was often difficult to get through, either from the outside, or the inside. Again these glimpses include some subtle references to both the sassy action-girl and the thoughtful and considered intellectual but these are deliberately made like fragments of a cracked glass so you have to decide yourself.
When considering Motoko I often fell like Bateau. Were I that close to her as to know her I'd love her too much to lose here but respect her far too much to want her to be anything more than one of my best friends.
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I still like the version of her in the first GITS series. But I think the best drawn version of her is in the opening sequance of 2nd Gig. But the CGI ones of her are good too. Seems they redesign her to fit her roll she has in each outing. Her aloof personality in the first GITS Movie seems the one that would fit her best if she were a real person living in her situation. After all there is more than a little bit of an assasin lurking near the surface.
Sylphisonic wrote:
I just can't stand her as a character sometimes though. She's just too loose...
I'll save this for the Philosophy board, but you would be loose too if you doubted your existence to the very core of it.
I adore her. Completely, and utterly adore her. Perhaps that's imature, and rather obsessive on boarder-line psychotic, but I have been fascinated with her for 12 long, amazingly devoted years. She's my 'anti-drug' like some stupid poster might say.
The movie Motoko is the one that I'm taking about by the way. Oshii's vision of the character is who Motoko is to me. As far as I'm concerned, SAC and Shirow's Motoko are no more than some other alternatives.
Sorry, had to reply to this old post. Manga Motoko is what I was talking about. She looked neat, but she seemed like she wasn't a very nice person most of the time, and I found her kind of shallow interest-wise. I *like* movie Motoko- I'd never call that character "loose" in any sense (either of mind or whatever). That character was so easy to relate to that I never really thought of it as even a character for ages, more like she was 'us' (everyone one of us bored of existence in it's current form and yearning for something more, to evolve). It has a lot to do with where I was in my head when I was 15, but I could relate to that version because they kept it in that kind of tone and didn't add any silly character traits; even leaving out the Bateu romance angle out of that first film and making her come off so gender-neutral were good moves in my opinion as they heightened that feeling of an "every young frustrated thinker personified" character that I could relate to at the time. None of that stuff got in the way of the personal struggle and longing angle that the film felt like it was about. Other versions of her have things about them that get in the way of this intellectual thread for me. Just a personal feeling.
Yeah. Stuff like that. I think. I don't remember MMI very well to be honest; I didn't connect to it as well as I'd hoped and my brain's forgotten bits along the way. I remember it as an amazing dance of vibrant colours for the most part. Which is a pretty good way to remember and define a book, I guess.
Sylphisonic wrote:Yeah. Stuff like that. I think. I don't remember MMI very well to be honest; I didn't connect to it as well as I'd hoped and my brain's forgotten bits along the way. I remember it as an amazing dance of vibrant colours for the most part. Which is a pretty good way to remember and define a book, I guess.
Also... Yay! It is simon's ghost
I also view it primerely as a beautiful art book, but to be blunt, that manga's just frazzle-dazzled - baaad explanation, but... :S
Still, I had to take about a one year break from it in order to understand it. When I went back to it, it made a lot more sense. Probably because I had enough time to contemplate what I'd pounded of it into my head before!
Motoko Aramaki was very cool.
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Who are you? Who slips into my robot body and whispers to my ghost?
Interestingly, the Motoko that, for me, brings out the most intense feelings is the one that appears inside the Hadaly doll.
As looks go, both SAC series and SSS have the most relatable, from a human standpoint, Motoko. Yes, even though she flips backwards in all possible angles and dives from buildings.
In the original movie, all the characters were drawn with huge chins and for that I didn't like the faces, though body wise I had no complains. Plus she will always be the original.
J/K
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