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drescu · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject:

First post.

Be gentle.

On the subject of plausibility, don't they have surge protectors for 'offensive firewalls' in the future? Very Happy

I'm surprised this thread is as long as it is, I took the whole incident as surprising because Aramaki didn't know about Proto's status as a bioroid and that bioroids aren't ever mentioned (even in passing) during SAC.

marto_motoko · Joined: 27 Nov 2005 Posts: 530 Location: Ni'ihama

It was simply showing the diversity of technological branches that people can go down, and what further progress can be made. I see no twisting in it. Confused

9/10 Gabriels agree, there is no plot twist in it. Simply enrichment info for the interested mind.

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AJB2K3 · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 75

Aramike had to know about him for him to become a member of tech.
Bigger twist
Bishop is a biodroid clone of THE MR Bishop (se AVP, not as good as aliens)

Saito · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

Apparently (yes, it must be true, it's in Wikipedia!! Wink

), if you compare the comparative timelines of Appleseed and GiTS all the events mentioned in the history of GiTS are also mentioned in Appleseed's timeline. I dunno where they got he supporting evidence from for that chestnut, I'd guess from looking into Appleseed (which I haven't really save for watching thew 2004 movie).

It makes sense then that bioroids appear in GiTS/SAC. It's a subtle cross-reference I feel, rather than a plot twist Smile

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FainaruFantaji · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Midgar

Not the dumbest. I didn`t even think that it was a subplot. Proto was a good supporting character and as most of you have already said usage of bioroids showed the level of technology.
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Elmo_Redux · Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 154 Location: CLASSIFIED

I guess i've been outvoted on the dumbness of it then. Well, I conceed it does make a little sense if it's a link to appleseed.

Saito · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

While I don't think it was dumb, per se, it wasn't that well carried off in the confined timescale of the episode. it was poorly explained, and rushed a bit, it's something that you just wouldn't normally have tried to cram into such a hectic episode and scene. I guess they put it in there as they had to get it in 'somewhere' and that was the only place it seemed to apply.

In an odd way, Proto kinda reminds me of Bishop in Aliens. I think maybe that was intentional?
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Epiphany · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 260 Location: South Florida

I like Proto but I will admit that the dialog used when they introduced him as a bio-droid was really kind of stupid. As pointed out in the first post Laughing

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M4nu3l · Joined: 10 Mar 2009 Posts: 45 Location: Texas

Plot-twist? nah.

Use-less? Not entirely. I think it's one of those quirky interludes that adds a smidgen of depth into their lives.

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Torukey · Joined: 24 Apr 2009 Posts: 12

I don't think Proto was a sub-plot. I think he was placed in the show for a specific reason, which was to allude to the future of Humanity, Robotics and perhaps even the future of the show itself. GiTS is all about analyzing consciousness and what makes us human, and Proto was perhaps the biggest threat to self-imposed human value in the show. Aramaki was shocked because I don't think he even knew that Bioroids were even being developed.
There's also another reason why Aramaki would have acted surprised...
In the show, there are some subtle hints that characters can tell cyborgs apart from humans. There's probably some in the manga too, but since I haven't read any of it, I'm not sure. Obviously someone like Aramaki who works in the government and is very much in touch with new technologies would have been able to tell something/someone like Proto apart from a human like himself. But he couldn't, and that's what surprised him.
Another reason I think they threw in Proto was because the idea of a bioroid or robotic rights could be a "powder-keg issue" in the third season, if it ever gets made. I wouldn't be surprised if religious organizations or individualists wouldn't be too pleased, and wouldn't be afraid to let it show!

Freitag · Joined: 01 Sep 2008 Posts: 377

I didn't catch that Aramaki was surprised. Maybe that will be my escuse to re-watch the whole series again Smile

Anyway, the Time of Eve anime is exploring exactly that - when you can't tell a human from a robot, how do you deal with emotional attachments.

I dunno if ToE is going to go as deeply into their issue at GitS went into theirs, but by limiting themselves to one subject, perhaps 6 episodes is enough to bring it all out?
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M4nu3l · Joined: 10 Mar 2009 Posts: 45 Location: Texas

Is it just me. or do all the red coat engineers act robotic anyway?

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