Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:05 am
I'm just glad to see you two getting along again. I had no idea that threadding this topic would lead to such strong emotions being let out.
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I think you're missing the entire point here. She's trying to say (and I agree with her) that certain consensual sexual activities or relationships should not be seen as "abnormal" or wrong, or cause the people practicing them to be ostracized, discriminated against, or otherwise harmed by society for. That the problem with these things lies with people's prejudices against them.Look, I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to kill themselves over something like this. Really, it's not the insult that's at fault, it is whatever caused them to have such poor self-esteem in the first place. Okay, I guess the insult would be part of that. But you say I have to get used to what I dislike, because it's everywhere (paraphrasing). That's not true though. I don't have to get used to it because I'm not going to go killing myself over it. Nothing dire is going to happen to me because I can't accept this stuff. However, on the other end it is much more important that others are able to accept the criticism... or rather, simply accept being unaccepted. Political correctness is all well and good, but you can go to far- you have to accept that some things are going to be weird to "normal" society no matter what (and yes, I still use that word "normal"; you can define it as "safe" if you wish but it does really stand for something loosely with people or else we wouldn't be feeling the need to use it still. Unless you want to go ahead and insult me by saying I'm using it to feel "safe" because I so obviously can't deal with outside stuff, or some rubbish). And it doesn't mean you have to do what they say, it just means you get on with it, probably privately if you're being nice to everyone, and well, just learn to get comfortable with being yourself anyway. You know, learn to live without validation in many aspects of your life, because you will never get it. Instead of being a big baby and flying into a fit of "political correctness" all the time.
I was going to lock this topic some time ago. Are you still ok with it being left open? Cause I'm sure either one of us could take care of it.Sylphisonic wrote:Oyyyy.... I shouldn't even be replying to this, because we've talked about it already and it's -near as I can tell- all settled.
You didn't yet 'kinda' did? Make up your mind, or nobody will know what you're arguing for.Sylphisonic wrote:Well, I don't think the author should be banned from writing the story, no. Although I kind of did in her case, it was just so sick and evil. And I mean that in the sense that it appeared to celebrate some really nasty things that happen to innocent people in the real world and actually hurt them terribly. In fact, I think it's disgusting to make light of such things. Those nasty porno movies whose existence of which are the stuff of rumours in the world- those movies where people are brutalised and fed their own intestines or something like that (I had the misfortune of picking up a mag about asian cinema once; it looked like it had a great interview with Maggie Cheung on the cover and some cool articles about the summer's blockbusters over there, but inside their was also a huge section devoted to horrible things and a 7 page letters column filled to the brim with writings from fans of that "genre")- it's good that those are banned. But generally speaking, no, I don't think that someone should be banned from writing an "innocent" BDSM story. If that's what they like and they are writing for others who like that too, fine. I and many others will think they are weirdos, but fine. However, they really are under an obligation to say it may contain a certain kind of objectionable material. Here's the thing: How can I possibly exert my right not to read or see something, if somebody doesn't tell me what I am reading? We have that system for films and even music (though often that gets overlooked), why not books and comics and stuff like that?If you don't want to read books about BDSM fantasies, don't. That's your prerogative. Just like it is the author's prerogative to write and publish her material, and the right of others to read it if they wish. You saying that it's wrong for them to be expressing their love for their particular sexual fetish is akin to censoring them just because you feel uncomfortable with it.